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KY: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread

by Josh Orton, Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:27:44 PM EST

Taking the stage now...

Thoughts?

Update [2008-5-20 20:25:35 by Josh Orton]: Several 'handmade' "Count Every Vote" signs behind Clinton. If you didn't get their message before...

More results:

158,963-vote margin for Clinton

√ Hillary Clinton: 306,274 votes (65 percent)
Barack Obama: 147,311 votes (31 percent)

70 percent reporting

Tags: Hillary Clinton, Election 08 (all tags)

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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

Last hurrah?

Ceci n'est pas une <<snark>>

by ipsos on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:15:58 PM EST

She still has a BIG Future (none / 0)

► Secretary of Defense

► Supreme Court Justice

► Majority Leader

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:17:49 PM EST
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Please no! (none / 0)

We're better than the Republicans--or supposed to be, at least. Put the most qualified people in those positions; none should serve as consolation prizes.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:19:10 PM EST
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Re: Please no! (2.00 / 1)

She's been a good senator for my state for eight years now. Especially if things don't turn for the better for Ted Kennedy, we need all the strong, aggressive Democrats in the Senate we can get.

If she could bring half the fight to Senate battles that she's brought to this race, she'd be twice the Majority Leader that Spineless Harry has been. I'd love to see her in the Majority Leader's chair.

Ceci n'est pas une <<snark>>

by ipsos on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:22:02 PM EST
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Re: Please no! (2.00 / 1)

Clinton's eminently qualified to handle just about any position in government. I don't think her qualifications have ever been an issue in this election.

Personally, I don't see why she'd want a Cabinet position over possibly being Majority Leader.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:36:22 PM EST
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Re: Please no! (none / 0)

**Then how about Queen of Appalachia?

If the choice is between hope and fear, always choose hope. BC

by greylox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:49:38 PM EST
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Re: She still has a BIG Future (none / 0)

Sec of Defense? What are her military qualifications?

She'd be a fine Majority Leader.

by glutz78 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:20:45 PM EST
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She's tough as nails. (2.00 / 1)

it's also a civilian position.

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:30:00 PM EST
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Re: She's tough as nails. (none / 0)

Nah a SecDef who didn't read the NIE and voted for Iraq would be tough to justify.

Majority Leader ... she would be excellent at that.

by v2r1 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:36:35 PM EST
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Re: She's tough as nails. (2.00 / 1)

Agreed. We need someone who will tell Mitch McConnell where he can shove his 60-vote threshold.

Stop the racism. Fight the smears.

by CrazyDrumGuy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:38:56 PM EST
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Re: She's tough as nails. (none / 0)

Yeah... Iraq's a disqualifier.

by mikeinsf on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:45:25 PM EST
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Re: She still has a BIG Future (none / 0)

none of the above is my vote....send her and Bill packin is my vote

by GeeMan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:39:10 PM EST
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Three Cheers for Hillary !! (2.00 / 1)

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:15:59 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

It's another big win. She's still in.

by grlpatriot on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:16:32 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

She beat him by over 30% in Kentucky.

How often does the presumed nominee get kicked in the balls like that?

by dMarx on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:22:43 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

I wouldn't have said it quite like that, but yes, when does the presumptive nominee get thumped by 30 and 40 points.

by grlpatriot on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:25:29 PM EST
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I explained in my thread. (none / 0)

It's third on the Recommended List. Take a look, both of you.

Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"

by Lord Hadrian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:27:18 PM EST
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Re: I explained in my thread. (none / 0)

In honor of Obama's >30% thumping.

by dMarx on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:41:21 PM EST
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You do realize Senator Obama (none / 0)

has won more states by 60 and 70% than Senator Clinton? And has won more states by 30% by a 3:1 clip.

So it doesn't bother me to lose three states by 30%.

I don't ignore the past, because the past decides the nomination.

But nice try.

Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"

by Lord Hadrian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:43:45 PM EST
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Do you realize (none / 0)

that most of those were caucus states? There is a HUGE difference between a real primary vote and a caucus.

Yes... I know.. the caucuses still count.

But for comparison of caucuses to primaries, see the difference in TX where both counted (how stupid) and WA where the caucus counted and the primary did not. Both of the "primaries" in these states had HUGE turnouts. Both of the caucuses had huge turnouts also... for a caucus.. but still MUCH lower than the primary votes.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:13:39 PM EST
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Also Nebraska (none / 0)

Where the nonbinding primary has almost 3 times the votes of the caucus and was a fairly close result.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:01:35 PM EST
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Re: I explained in my thread. (none / 0)

Okay, some of that stuff is inappropriate, my apologies

by dMarx on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:44:26 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

**Whenever you're in a State of Stupid?

If the choice is between hope and fear, always choose hope. BC

by greylox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:50:45 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

McCain lost Utah by 85 points.

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

by ihaveseenenough on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:32:07 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

About as often a good but doomed candidate insists on staying in the race after there's no way he/she can win?

by KyleJRM on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:44:12 PM EST
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She is wonderful (2.00 / 1)

She is for us

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:16:40 PM EST

Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (2.00 / 2)

Classy lady.

"He is my friend and inspiration".

This party will be fine.

by devoted1 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:17:32 PM EST

Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

sorry LDFan...

she's spent a good portion of her speech in admiration of Senator Kennedy. She said that her prayers are with him now.

by devoted1 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:19:39 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

Not near a tv...please give good updates!!!!

by LDFan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:18:15 PM EST

Opened with a smile and lots of cheering. (2.00 / 1)

Declaration of victory

A nice aside for Senator Kennedy and a unifying moment that shows we'll be alright when all's said and done.

More talk of speech and counting the votes which was a lead-in into discussing the need to count votes in Florida and Michigan.

Chants of Yes We Will, parodying Yes We Can and more discussion of a need of a strong candidate that can win the white house because the stakes have never been so high.

Mentions of HillaryClinton.com and the need to donate - she's with you as long as you're with her being the message.

Pretty much a nice speech. Kennedy moments will be the unifying part of tonight's contests.

Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"

by Lord Hadrian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:39:48 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (1.00 / 1)

What a kick in the balls.

by dMarx on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:18:38 PM EST

Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

Wash your mouth out with soap, dMarx!

And I'd say the same thing to some vulgar, idiotic Obama supporter who said that Hillary got kicked in her private parts after the Oregon results come in later tonight.

Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie

by toyomama on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:39:29 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

Way to go!

No way. No how. No McCain. . . . . . If you can ship a job to Bangalore India, you can ship a job to Flint Michigan.

by NJ Liberal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:18:59 PM EST

Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

Please unify this party, Hillary. We cannot let McCain take the White House!

by glutz78 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:19:15 PM EST

Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

what an underwhelming crowd of hundreds of her supporters! W00t!

"More War Years! More War Years!" ~John McCain

by Tommy Flanagan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:20:16 PM EST

Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

No need to be patronizing

by LDFan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:23:06 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (2.00 / 2)

You so classy. Clearly you should understand by now that big rallies and crowds aren't necessarily transformed into big wins.

by msharp on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:32:33 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

Exactly--nor obviously does throwing money out in advertising etc. (didn't he outspend her again 2-to-1 in KY even though he didn't bother visiting?). No votes getting bought here! Give us the true leader...give us Hillary!!!

HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"

by ChargedFan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:43:16 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

Not a Hillary supporter, but can't lie- I'm very, very happy with the tone of the campaign she's running these days. Speech was classy. She's not going to win, but so far, she's not going to tear anything down on the way out. Got to admire that if nothing else.

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

by ihaveseenenough on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:20:40 PM EST

Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

Sigh. Nevermind. "Homemade" count every vote signs strategically behind the stage? I was under the impression that every fair vote was counted. I would happily have emailed 300,000 Obama votes to Kentucky but it turns out the rules say otherwise.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where this going, and I don't like it.

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

by ihaveseenenough on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:33:44 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

Meh. It's a little annoying, but hardly outrageous.
As Lawrence O'Donnell said yesterday, she needs a justification to stay in the race. She's still predicating her continued campaign on the delegates and votes Michigan and Florida would provide if counted as-is.

She may realize she's unlikely to win, but she's still got to have a rationale for staying in. I don't have a problem with her still pushing the "count the votes!" battlecry. The only time I get ticked is when she bashes Obama as an elitist or unelectable, and that's clearly subsided.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:41:14 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

A good win for her tonight, but it's a shame she keeps sticking with her fuzzy math "I'm winning the popular vote" theme.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:20:44 PM EST

Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

my thought is she is winning in north carolina against mccain and obama is losing .

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=89a1b144-de19-4715-bb6f-97b2e8 17a23b

there is this misconception that obama is the better candidate in dixie because of the black vote which is wrong.

wasn't he the one who is supposed to put nc in play.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:20:44 PM EST

Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

If the party unites, either would kick the crap out of mccain. if the party fractures, anything can happen. which is fucking scary.

by glutz78 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:22:20 PM EST
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Oh so now that the polls show (none / 0)

Senator Clinton winning, it's obviously going to go for Senator Clinton in November.

But when it was going for Senator Obama, it wasn't.

I like that. It must be hard having to live in double-think for so many months.

Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"

by Lord Hadrian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:23:13 PM EST
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Re: Oh so now that the polls show (none / 0)

Not really...just read one of his books. Dude can easily think a half-dozen wrong things before lunch and then turn around and contradict himself twelve times before the sun goes down.

Very flexible is Barry.
.

by Pericles on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:26:46 PM EST
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Re: Oh so now that the polls show (none / 0)

"It's clear this vote they're having won't count for anything".

Contradictions like that, no?

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

by ihaveseenenough on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:34:45 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

The reason that Obama may be competitive in some southern states is that some expect a large boost among AAs (coupled with a big registration drive). However, polling uses turnout models that rely upon prior turnout. Poblano has performed some interesting statistical projections that show how significant increased turnout would be. NC is probably out of reach, but Virginia is certainly possible b/c northern Virginia should provide Obama a strong white base of support in addition to record turnout among AAs.

by DPW on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:26:58 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

I do not believe Obama will win anywhere in dixie including Virginia after Rev. Wright especially against Mccain.

Thats just me .

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:31:57 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

Virginia isn't all Dixie. And, McCain's turnout among evangelicals could be quite low, especially if he keeps running to the middle and Bob Barr makes a strong appeal to those voters.

Obama is going to campaign hard in Virginia, which will introduce him to certain skeptical voters who might otherwise just equate Obama and Rev. Wright. Obama presently is only trailing by 3 is the most recent VA poll by Rasmussen, so he's within striking distance if he can boost AA turnout and move a few of those skeptical voters in the western part of the state.

by DPW on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:19:28 PM EST
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That's me, too (none / 0)

And I don't think those sentiments are restricted to below the Mason Dixon line.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:58:34 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

Survey USA does a terrible job of polling in states with a significant African American population. SUSA tends to systematically undercount the AA vote.

by ProfessorReo on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:27:21 PM EST
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SUSA has bad track record in NC (none / 0)

their final NC poll had Obama 50-45, which needless to say, was off the actual mark of 56-42..

they underestimated Obama's final number and overestimated Clinton's number.

their NC methodology has no basis.

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:38:09 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

When you consider the fact that more Obama supporters have said they would vote for Hillary than Hillary supporters saying they'd vote for Obama, this poll isn't surprising.

Why? Because Obama supporters know he's the nominee and have relatively little issue entertaining the vote for Clinton.

Clinton supporters are still coming to grips with losing the nomination and still have the feelings of bitterness and dislike that she's been beaten, and are less willing to support Obama at this time.

If the tables were turned and Obama were behind I don't doubt it'd be the same way.

by Yalin on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:42:25 PM EST
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That's not the only reason (none / 0)

Clinton's coalition includes a higher percentage of moderate and conservative Democrats and a higher percentage of older Democrats. These people are more similar to Democrats who have defected in the past than most of Obama's coalition. Not every Democrat can win them and more than a few Republicans can. On the other hand, African Americans, college kids, and latte liberals are very poor bets to vote Republican.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:56:48 PM EST
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Re: That's not the only reason (none / 0)

There's no need to vote republican for those african americans, college kids, and 'latte' liberals.

People could simply stay home. Either way, the point remains.

by Yalin on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:10:22 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

The guy in the brown shirt to the left of Hillary was also in Indiana behind her. He must be pretty well connected.

Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!

by spacemanspiff on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:21:04 PM EST

Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

Paid supporter? I've heard there are a few of those going around.

"More War Years! More War Years!" ~John McCain

by Tommy Flanagan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:23:12 PM EST
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He's very enthusiastic, almost distractingly so, (none / 0)

but good for him, he is excited and pumped up, cannot knock that

by KLRinLA on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:27:27 PM EST
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Re: He's very enthusiastic, almost distractingly s (none / 0)

The only reason I noticed is because he was as excited (but in a sad kinda way) in Indiana too.

Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!

by spacemanspiff on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:30:20 PM EST
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Coulda been a lot of redbull in his system n/t (none / 0)

by KLRinLA on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:50:46 PM EST
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Re: He's very enthusiastic, almost distractingly s (none / 0)

There are some who follow her. Kindof like groupies, I guess. The guy with the boxing gloves behind her in maybe it was, West Virginia, travels on his own money and expense to her events all over. The Clinton campaign noticed him, found out about him, and started giving him prime seating at their rallies. He was interviewed on Headline News, or CNN or somewhere. I watched the interview. So maybe the guy in the brown shirt has been there before or maybe not. Dunno.

by Scotch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:56:33 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

uhh, that guy's kinda freaking me out a little.

I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt

by fogiv on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:31:54 PM EST
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also - he must have alot of brown shirts (none / 0)

;-)

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:38:58 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (2.00 / 2)

She hasn't won the popular vote, but besides that, good speech. The next couple weeks can't pass fast enough, so this thing can me over.

by cycl06 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:21:55 PM EST

You know, I've never even (2.00 / 1)

gone to HillaryClinton.com.

But hearing someone say "Best position to win in November" and then basically acknowledging you can't even stay in the black in campaign funding has to be one of the greater ironies.

Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"

by Lord Hadrian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:21:59 PM EST

Been Calling Oregon (2.00 / 2)

since 9am! Totaled over 130 hours in the past four weeks!

I'm with her till the last delegate votes because I draw a line in the sand for Universal Healthcare :)

by LDFan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:22:12 PM EST

Re: Been Calling Oregon (none / 0)

If you are true to your word then I hope you will do the same for Barack Obama this fall if he wins because McCain offers nothing in terms of healthcare. And we desperately need it.

We must unify - we cannot let mccain run this country.

by glutz78 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:24:15 PM EST
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Re: Been Calling Oregon (2.00 / 5)

Read my comments/diaries

I will work my heart out for Obama if he wins...I will not enable "President McCain"

by LDFan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:29:02 PM EST
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Re: Been Calling Oregon (2.00 / 1)

Awesome! I heart LDFan!

I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt

by fogiv on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:32:39 PM EST
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Phantom Rec! (2.00 / 2)

Motley Moose, Troll Free Blogging

by chrisblask on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:34:59 PM EST
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Re: Been Calling Oregon (2.00 / 2)

Now that's my kind of Dem! A REAL one. Classy.

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

by ihaveseenenough on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:35:55 PM EST
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Re: Been Calling Oregon (none / 0)

Hillary isn't proposing universal health care. She has a subsidy program plus a mandate. That's not universal health care.

For that, you need single-payer.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:39:23 PM EST
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Re: Been Calling Oregon (none / 0)

She has a single payer option within her plan.

Choice 1.) Keep what you have

Choice 2.) Buy into the same plan that members of congress have

Choice 3.) Buy into a public plan based on Medicare (i.e. single payer). Although not the best option, this is similar to Germany's universal healthcare system. It would revolutionize the healthcare system...like creating public universities side by side with the private ones.

by LDFan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:48:52 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

How dare she talk of Sen Kennedy as if he were going to die!! He's going to beat this cancer! He won't give up! I love him, and resent anyone talking about him as if it's over. IT AIN'T OVER!

by xdem on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:22:46 PM EST

That part of her speech (2.00 / 1)

was very classy. I think this comment is retarded.

And yes, Senator Kennedy has a chance but she's acknowledging that she's standing with him through thick and thin.

I'm sure the Hillaryis44.com morons don't agree but Senator Clinton believes there's more to life than winning an election.

Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"

by Lord Hadrian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:25:06 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

It is a fact as much as it hurts and as sad as it is, in the best of circumstances with this type of cancer the expectation is 5 years.

by Scotch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:25:57 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

As a nurse let me tell you that if he lives 5 years he will probably really wish he hadn't.

by J Rae on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:50:48 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

Well, I did say under the best circumstances....

by Scotch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:07:23 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

He has a brain tumor...

Malignant gliomas are diagnosed in about 9,000 Americans a year. In general, half of all patients die within a year.

"It's treatable but not curable. You can put it into remission for a while but it's not a curable tumor," said Dr. Suriya Jeyapalan, a neuroncologist at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080520/ap_o n_go_co/kennedy;_ylt=AkeotgLPKLa_1nsblf0 UOlYDW7oF

by LDFan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:26:14 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

It warms my heart to see Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea on stage with so many people cheering them on. They deserve every cheer and thanks they get from those supporters and from us. It amazes me win after win, how her supporters continue to give her their votes in huge huge numbers despite the idea that the whole thing is all decided. They are standing with her there in solidarity, smiling ear to ear, and you can tell how happy they are for her in their faces.

by Scotch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:24:10 PM EST

I agree and as an Obama supporter (2.00 / 2)

I did like the "I am going to fight until the race is over no matter who she will be"... I laughed, not mean spiritedly or smugly, but because it was clever

And she concludes with unity and the Kentucky motto...very classy

by KLRinLA on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:35:15 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

They think that she can win the nomination, just like folks here. I bet that most of them have no clue that Obama gets a majority of the pledged delegates tonight. I say that because I mentioned it to about 4 people in the last 2 days and they didn't know - and these are folks who follow the news.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:41:21 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

Rather they think that she should win the nomination. Try as you might, you can't paint Kentuckians into stupid cud chewing uninformed people like was tried with West Virgianians and others in that part of the country. They believe in her because they do, and they are going to say it despite the nodding heads in the media and elsewhere. If Obama implodes, over half the party will gladly welcome her as the nominee with open arms.

by Scotch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:47:57 PM EST
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Well, maybe they believe in her a lot (none / 0)

and maybe they don't believe in him at all.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:51:18 PM EST
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Good For Hillary (2.00 / 0)

She said some wonderful, gracious things about Ted Kennedy. Good for you, Senator Clinton!

Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie

by toyomama on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:24:11 PM EST

Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

Back to the plagarized chant again.

"More War Years! More War Years!" ~John McCain

by Tommy Flanagan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:25:23 PM EST

Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

As opposed to just swapping ideas among friends, said Obama and Patrick.

by msharp on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:34:19 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

Right.. thank you Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta.

Si se puede!

Sincerely,

Barack Obama

by devoted1 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:36:57 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

How about the plagiarized speeches.

by Jaz on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:49:25 PM EST
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Re: KY: Hillary Clinton Victory Speech Thread (none / 0)

Your talking about "yes we can"? The one that was first used by the United Farm Workers under Chezar Chavez in California?

by J Rae on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:56:09 PM EST
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Rev. wright is toxic for Obama in the general election. especially in these parts.

Obama could have gone into Kentucky and campaigned for a whole week and there won't be any difference in his numbers.

Its something that is talked about almost everyday .

Values are important and if you don't seem to share it , a lot would vote against you even if it goes against their economic interest.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:28:08 PM EST

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Incorrect.

As you can see, Green is Senator Clinton, Purple is Senator Obama.

It wouldn't matter if Senator Obama could walk on water and run a 4-40. He isn't going to win Kentucky; she isn't going to win Oregon, Montana or South Dakota.

Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"

by Lord Hadrian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:33:27 PM EST
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it seems you ust repeated what i said and labelled it incorrect .

i could have sworn we came to the same conclusion

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:41:57 PM EST
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"Rev. wright is toxic for Obama in the general election."

Is the point I'm calling incorrect. Senator Obama lost states in this region before it even broke. He was going to lose them, period.

He could've closed the gap by pivoting to the center and pandering in certain areas but he didn't.

But never a win.

But the conclusion is the same, yes - that he isn't going to win these states in the general, just like Senator Clinton won't win certain demographics Senator Obama excels at.

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by Lord Hadrian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:46:12 PM EST
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Nice map, where'd you get it? (none / 0)

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by chrisblask on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:51:03 PM EST
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It's just a map with counties for Obama and (none / 0)

Clinton that I see everywhere. I edited it for my own purposes and my own diary.

But I believe it's just an open source map or I would give credit to whoever took the time to color the counties.

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by Lord Hadrian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:55:19 PM EST
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Hmmm. I wonder if that's why he didn't waste his time there...

by zadura on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:34:25 PM EST
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A Wright question was on the exit poll, in fact (none / 0)

The majority of Kentuckians answering thought Obama either very much or somewhat shared Wright's views.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:49:01 PM EST
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Here she is, her campaign crying because Obama might call himself the presumptive nominee tonight, but she's doing it, and she doesn't even have votes.

"More War Years! More War Years!" ~John McCain

by Tommy Flanagan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:28:37 PM EST

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Never giving up and never giving in...Democrats must take back the White House...going on to campaign in MT, SD, and PR...standing up for FL and MI...deserve to have those votes counts...keep making our case until we have a nominee whoever SHE may be.

by grlpatriot on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:28:44 PM EST

She is HRC! (none / 0)

by Molee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:33:49 PM EST
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Wow, it's a good thing no one is claiming to be the nominee today. It was all over the press that someone might do that, and the CLinton campaign was freaking about that.

"More War Years! More War Years!" ~John McCain

by Tommy Flanagan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:33:54 PM EST
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She... or he.

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

by ihaveseenenough on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:38:27 PM EST
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She said "she".

by grlpatriot on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:43:16 PM EST
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GO HILLARY - next POTUS! (none / 0)

by Molee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:31:17 PM EST

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She doesn't know when to stop, as this speech demonstrates.

by Graham1979 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:33:34 PM EST

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As goes Kentucky so goes the nation?

by Crookd River Progressive on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:34:39 PM EST

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I think it's funny that she keeps mentioning "As ____ goes, so does the rest of the country." Does she have another line?

She mentions the kid who sold his bike and games for her. She's going to need a lot more kids to stand up for her to pay for that debt.

by applejackking on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:34:51 PM EST

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"...until we have a nominee...whoever she may be!"

hahaha, loved that line! Whoo hooo, she's putting in another convincing win! Surely the superdelegates will have to be considering yet another resounding win by the woman who so many have already counted out! 74% in and she's still got more than a 2 to 1 lead (65% to 31%), and a +172,000 lead in the votes themselves!

Now tell me if I'm wrong, no Democrat has won the Presidency without winning the Ohio primary in at least 40 years or so either right? So it's not only the key swing states she's getting, but those states that have gottenr right in the past. Anyway, I'm rambling, but here's hoping we get to a +35% spread!

HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"

by ChargedFan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:35:02 PM EST

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Surely the superdelegates know that Obama's won the most pledged delegates AND the popular vote in contests that counted...

Before you get all excited, let's see those Oregon totals first!

It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)

by LordMike on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:42:32 PM EST
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Obviously they do realize he's won the most pledged delegates to date, but also that he's not yet won enough to actually win. And regardless of whether FL and MI delegates get seated or not, votes were placed--and we do all know the results of those actual placed votes. So the popular votes that were placed and that "can actually be counted" are in her favor. Does that include caucuses? No it doesn't--but considering that some of those states have not even counted or reported actual votes, it's a little hard to count them...actually, it's impossible. And please note: I'm NOT saying they shouldn't count, only that it's hard to try to include them in the one vote, one person calculation.

But both Hillary and yes even Barack need the superdelegates to get them to the winning number. So the caucuses are certainly represented in the delegate counts that many of the Supers are undoubtedly looking at to make their decisions. But, when the purported "deciding metric" is NOT enough in and of itself to actually get the win, which it is not in this case, it would only seem logical that all metrics and considerations are taken into account. But I'm not a superdelegate, so although I would be considering ALL things--each superdelegate will be (or at least should be) making their own decision about what's important to them.

HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"

by ChargedFan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:07:24 PM EST
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"But both Hillary and yes even Barack need the superdelegates to get them to the winning number"

This is a logical fallacy/semantic cheat known as "equivocation."

Clinton needs a large percentage of the superdelegates to change their minds and vote for her.

Obama doesn't even need to slip the superdelegates. He can lose them and still win.

by KyleJRM on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:22:12 PM EST
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Actually what you quoted is simply a fact. I didn't say one needed more or less than the other--only that both needed the superdelegates, and that is the plain and simple truth.

For an example of equivocation, I'd say to just listen to what Barack Obama just declared in his "victory speech" in Iowa. Anybody from the DNC who's spoken out regarding Florida and Michigan has clearly stated that they WILL BE seated in some way--so for him to claim that he's surpassed the pledged delegates majority is clearly and deliberately misleading since there is no doubt the "majority" figure he's citing will be changed from the number he's claiming to be the majority.

HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"

by ChargedFan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:27:54 PM EST
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I'm comfortable with calling that a misleading statement from Obama. Two wrongs don't make a right.

by KyleJRM on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:58:12 PM EST
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