'Nominate anyone but Obama and McCain is toast'

While the creative class goes into throes of offense about a nominee discussing history, the Republicans are actually working. Have we taken our eye off the ball here?  Republicans are charting many scenarios by which McCain would blowout Obama should Obama become the nominee.  Concerned Democrats and progressives everywhere should have their focus on that.

Despite general signs of weakness of the Republican brand.  Kuhn lays out the growing confidence in a big McCain victory - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/050 8/10585.html

Quoting GOP pollster, Glen Bolger -  who apparently echoes the beliefs of 10 Republican strategists - we hear

"No disrespect to the other candidates, but if anyone else had been nominated we'd be toast."

Working in the Democrats favor is, of course, that Obama is not the nominee despite his coronation by the press. Why are Republicans making arguments predicting that McCain will beat Obama by a larger margin that Bush's margin over Kerry in 2004?  Here is one scenario Kuhn lays out:

"Begin with the 2004 electoral map. Add Iowa and Colorado to Obama's side, since both are considered states Obama could pick off. Then count McCain victories in New Hampshire and Michigan, two states where McCain is competitive. In this scenario, McCain wins the Electoral College 291-246, a larger margin than Bush four years ago."

And, personally, I don't think Obama will take Colorado and Pennsylvania (both needed under this scenario).  This losing scenario has also been a cadence day in and day out here:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Ob ama/Maps/May24.html

Barone is also taking the long view on the Reverand Wright debacle

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article s/2008/05/the_rev_wright_connection_stil .html

- asserting flat out that the whole scandal can be summed up as 'Obama being caught out in a lie' - a crisp soundbite.  Think this won't have legs in the fall?  Think again.

Paul Maslin is at least looking at it clearly even if the much of the left blogosphere is indisposed with idolatry of Obama. Maslin says - "The truth about this race [is], this is the year that we [Democrats] shouldn't lose, and we could lose."  

The superdelegates should be taking a close look at how Hillary can be the closer and the winner here blowing out McCain with over 300 electoral votes.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Cl inton/Maps/May24.html

Why should the superdelegates risk making Obama the nominee?



Display:


hahah. First of all the GOP can't even (2.00 / 2)

hang on to seats in +10 districts. Second, the Obama campaign isn't sitting around on MyDD arguing about Clinton's historically inaccurate gaffe.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:06:14 PM EST

No, they're toast anyway (2.00 / 2)

That's Karl Rove talking.  Why would people like Coulter and Limbaugh all have fought so hard to keep Clinton in the race if they honestly thought that she would be a stronger contender?

No, your diary is based on a Republican strategy of trying to instill the Democrats with buyer's remorse.  They know that Obama is the nominee, and their only hope is now to sow discord between the Clinton supporters and Obama supporters.

Quite frankly, it's transparent and sad.  I don't know what happened to the Republicans, but their strategists are terrible nowendays.  Operation Chaos only managed to make Obama a stronger candidate, register hundreds of thousands of Democratic voters, absorb millions in donations from excited voters, build ground games throughout several states, and train the eye of the media squarely on the Democrats for months, practically ignoring the Republican candidate.

I mean, where's the strategy involved in sabotaging your own party for the general election?


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:06:43 PM EST

Thk you, Dracomicron (2.00 / 1)

   Seriously, Molee, you can't think of ANY reason these Republicans might be coming out with these trash polls and rosy-eyed speculation? At just this particular moment? With the mood of this country going so badly against the Repubs this year, and most objective electoral analysis saying something very different? Are they simply trying to save Democrats from themselves, do you think, out of a sudden sense compassion? When Hillary stoops to quoting Repub hacks to save herself, it's ugly but understandable. When her supporters do it, however sincerely, it just makes you look like a sucker. No offense.


by Kordo on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:14:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thk you, Dracomicron (2.00 / 1)

So can someone please explain why Obama is not beating McCain in critical swing states?  Its not that they don't know him in places like Ohio, he already spent millions campaigning there and his numbers are stagnant.  


by nulee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:32:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What are "critical swing states?" (2.00 / 1)

Nobody is winning or losing anything yet, it's still 5 months before polls matter at all.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:44:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What are "critical swing states?" (2.00 / 1)

Really?? I'm glad you can be so comfortable....winning the Democratic primary is not the same as the electoral college. Remember about 26 million people have voted in the Democratic primaries so far.  John Kerry got 50 million votes in the general election...there are a lot of people who did not show up for the primaries but are being polled in head to head polls...Obama is losing to McCain among ALL the voters.


by nulee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:00:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sure. (none / 0)

McCain has a 25 year head-start in the public consciousness and Obama hasn't even started his general election strategy yet.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:07:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sure. (2.00 / 1)

That's ridiculous...everyone in Ohio knows who Obama is.  He spent millions campaigning there.


by nulee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:16:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yep, for the primary (none / 0)

You know, when he was trying to appeal to the Democratic base.

Now he's going to show us his strategy for the electorate.

Besides, they might know who he is, but not what he stands for.

It's proven that his numbers go up drastically when he's able to campaign seriously.  See: Wisconsin, Maine, Potomac Primaries.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:38:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thk you, Dracomicron (none / 0)

SUSA has Obama up by 8 points in Ohio


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:22:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, they're toast anyway (none / 0)

So great he has a lot of money...please tell me the electoral college votes he will win?


by nulee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:56:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'll tell you (none / 0)

    This guy is a troll, Draco. He's a sock-puppet for molee, this is the only thing he's ever commented on, and he writes just like mo. half-assed effort, clown. don't let the door hit you in the ass in November!


by Kordo on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:25:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 'Nominate anyone but Obama (2.00 / 1)

Superdelegates dumb.
Karl Rove and republicans pollster smart.
by rf7777 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:08:33 PM EST

Re: 'Nominate anyone but Obama (none / 0)

Karl Rove was able to elect a complete idiot..twice! On this issue he is smart. The only Democratice president the superdelegates have elected in the last 28 years is Clinton


by nulee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:28:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He used his best moves already (none / 0)

The Swift Boats won't save him this time.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:30:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 'Nominate anyone but Obama (none / 0)

Ok, Karl Rove is a smart republican strategist.

What does that make Democrats who agree with his [unbiased and honest] assessments?


by rf7777 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:43:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 'Nominate anyone but Obama (none / 0)

It means that Obama needs Clinton supporters to win, you are living in a fantasy land if you think he doesn't.  His supporters in the blogosphere are doing him no favors by attacking Sen Clinton personally and distorting her record. You have in fact used Republican talking point against her and every time you do you lose another supporter.  I am sure Obama is aware of the violent rhetoric against Clinton on sites like this and DK and he has never done anything to stop it.


by nulee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:54:02 PM EST
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Re: 'Nominate anyone but Obama (none / 0)

....Just like Senator Clinton is aware of the vile, vitriolic smear campaign that her bloggers regularly attack Obama with and she does absolutely nothing to stop it....

What's your fucking point?


by Deano963 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:51:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 'Nominate anyone but Obama (none / 0)

KArl Rove has THE Math (TM) that propelled the rpeublicans to great victory in 2006!

ooops!

The same formula was used during the special elections that they lost, too!

Oops!

Let's not also forget that Karl Rove's "concern" for  our interest is hardly altruistic.


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:23:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 'Nominate anyone but Obama (none / 0)

Well then why did he just lose control of Congress????????????


by venician on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:43:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 'Nominate anyone but Obama (none / 0)

Karl Rove's tactics were based entirely on negative attacks and by going much lower than any decent person would. And he's such a good strategist that he single-handedly branded the Republicans with that label and made it ineffective. The truth is that he got Bush in office twice (well, technically once) by a hair. He won in 2004 DURING a war with less than 5%. He completely energized his political opponents, who then grew stronger.

We all gave Karl Rove far too much credit.


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Sat May 24, 2008 at 04:15:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

'Anyone but Obama and McCain is toast' (2.00 / 1)

A lot of us knew this way last year! A lot of the Dem leadership apparently still don't get it. Boy did they screw this one up. Onwards to snatch defeat out of jaws of victory!


by moevaughn on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:09:10 PM EST

You are being duped by a Republican strategist. (2.00 / 1)

So typical of the Clinton suicide-cultists.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:15:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Jerome - is this response appropriate? (2.00 / 1)

It lacks substance and only attacks the diarist.


by Molee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:27:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't lie about my comment. (none / 0)

It is a rely to, and contradicts, the commenter, moevaughn.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:50:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 'Anyone but Obama and McCain is toast' (none / 0)

  What are you basing this "knowledge" on? Granted, hillbilly racists won't vote for him, but you're talking about a numerically small part of the electorate there. These Repug numbers (I use the term loosely) are only valid if all you Clinton supporters stay home in November. I'm voting for Obama, but if Clinton somehow got the nomination, I'll vote for her almost as happily. Are you going to stay home, moevaughn?


by Kordo on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:31:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 'Anyone but Obama and McCain is toast' (1.50 / 2)

Wow racial slurs are allowed on this site!! I hope there aren't enough latte-liberal misogynists to push your candidate


by nulee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:40:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 'Anyone but Obama and McCain is toast' (none / 0)

You're either a troll or a very hateful person.  Racist slurs are bad, but mocking others based on an assumed caricature is acceptable?

Do you see the problem with that?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:08:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 'Anyone but Obama and McCain is toast' (none / 0)

Troll


by Lawyerish on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:12:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Let me add (2.00 / 3)

Real Clear Politics had this article with some interesting conclusions:  http://www.politico.com/news/stories/050 8/10585.html

 But the contours of the electoral map, combined with McCain's unique strengths and the nature of Obama's possible vulnerabilities, have led to a cautious and muted optimism that McCain could actually surpass Bush's 35-electoral-vote victory in 2004. Though they expect he would finish far closer to Obama in the popular vote, the thinking is that he could win by as many 50 electoral votes.

I would also point to the Newsweek national polls today that show Hillary beating McCain by 4, but Obama managing only a tie.  This poll is consistent with a long line of polls in the last two weeks.  http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/latestpolls/index.html


by katmandu1 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:18:41 PM EST

In 1992, June polls showed Clinton in third place (none / 0)

... behind both GHW Bush and Ross Perot.  May polls are even less representative of the November outcome than June polls.

In other words, do not be conned by the Republican strategists.  They have filing cabinets full of attack materials on the Clintons, and next to nothing on Obama.  They don't know how to run against him without branding their party as KKK-lite, so they are trying desperately to con Democrats into destroying their own party by nominating the candidate who actually lost the nomination to the black guy.

It's transparently obvious to anyone who isn't a Hillary cultist who will also happily destroy the party if anyone but Hillary is the Democratic nominee.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:57:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Let me add (none / 0)

Sicne the margin of error is four points, that means both Obama and Hillary are tied with McCain...  also, if Hillary can't muster more votes with the free ride from the press and blatent republican support in the past few months, she's not doing very well at all!


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:25:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Go Away (1.00 / 5)

You are a fucking concern troll

get a life


by CaptainMorgan on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:20:03 PM EST

Re: Go Away (2.00 / 0)

Are you still hungover Captain Morgan?  This is a serious issue, Obama does not beat McCain in electoral votes....wake up to reality


by nulee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:24:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Go Away (none / 0)

Um.....he's beating him in the electoral vote at this very moment dumbass. You're the one who needs to wake up.


by Deano963 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:53:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Site moderators - please take a look at the (2.00 / 1)

above.  Is this what MyDD tolerates?


by Molee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:25:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Site moderators - please take a look at the (none / 0)

He didn't need to throw in the f-bomb, but oyu are nothing more than a concern troll.

From your diary"

"Quoting GOP pollster, Glen Bolger -  who apparently echoes the beliefs of 10 Republican strategists - we hear

"No disrespect to the other candidates, but if anyone else had been nominated we'd be toast." "

Did it ever occur to you that you shouldn't be taking GOP pollsters and strategists at their word?????


by Deano963 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:55:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

attn: MyDD staff (none / 0)

re:  Go Away comment above

I have to echo the request for MyDD administrators to check out the person who made the Go Away (etc.) comment.  This person has been posting trashy and scurrilous comments, worse than inappropriate, all over MyDD.  Please do something.

Thank you, Molee, for calling attention to this.


by moevaughn on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:00:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: attn: MyDD staff (none / 0)

Um... moevaugh you are a HUGE hide-rate abuser.

I've been posting for people to let the RFK thing go all morning.

So please.. stick to the facts


by CaptainMorgan on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:08:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Go Away (none / 0)

Captain Morgan you need to get control of your anger...violence in politics is very serious issue


by nulee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:38:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The panic reaction to this diary by some (2.00 / 3)

is indicative of the feelings of unease in the Obama camp, and the reason, I think, why the Obama camp pushed the Kennedy story yesterday.

It is kind of nice to support a candidate you thought was out of it, but seems to be making a comeback.  Kind of like rooting for a football team down by three TDs in the fourth, and there's one long drive to go to actually win the damn thing.


by katmandu1 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:22:35 PM EST

Simply untrue (2.00 / 1)

Obama didn't push the Kennedy story yesterday, the media pushed it.  Obama didn't make Clinton say something monumentally foolish in a televised interview.

If anything Obama sent Axelrod to try to diffuse it.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:29:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Simply untrue (2.00 / 1)

Actually Obama did push the story, his campaign said they were offended by the remarks....Why would Obama be offended??? If RFK Jr says he understood she was talking about long campains, shouldn't that be good enough for Obama.... I think I would like Obama more if he..even once had the balls to not capitalize on the media's trashing of Clinton.  But I guess that sort of CHANGE is to radical for him...he's busy pandering to the Cuban community


by nulee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:37:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Again untrue (2.00 / 1)

The Obama representative said that her comments were "unfortunate" and "have no place in the campaign."

Didn't say that they were offended.  So, either you're misinformed or lying.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:42:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Again untrue (2.00 / 1)

I did not put the word offended in quotes.  Here is an article on the reaction by Obama's camp.  For they are clearly trting to suggest that she was making a personal attack on Obama

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny- usclin0524,0,7579178.story


by nulee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:12:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Again untrue (none / 0)

That article has no new information.  It rehashes the campaign's position that it was "unfortunate" and "has no place in the campaign" and has a mixed bag of Obama supporters with their own opinions ranging from "numb" to offended to dismissing the importance of the gaffe.

YOU are clearly trying to suggest that they're making it out as a personal attack, but YOU are stretching.  Drastically.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:42:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Simply untrue (none / 0)

Um... Where is the "offended" quote?


by rf7777 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:44:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 'Nominate anyone but Obama and McCain is toast (2.00 / 4)

ummm..

Hate to burst your bubble but has anyone actually read the article cited here?

The "nominate anyone else" was referring to the republican field, not the democratic one.

The author of this diary either

a) is intentionally trying to mislead people

or

b) needs to brush up on reading comprehension


by glopster on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:26:07 PM EST

Re: 'Nominate anyone but Obama and McCain is toast (2.00 / 1)

And here's the context from the link provided by the diarist:

Among the 10 strategists interviewed by Politico for this story, there was near-uniform belief that had any other Republican been nominated, the party's prospects in November would be nil.

"No disrespect to the other candidates," said GOP pollster Glen Bolger, "but if anyone else had been nominated we'd be toast."


by patooker on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:36:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So the entire premise of the diary is a falsehood. (2.00 / 1)

So typical of the Hillary dead-enders.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Sat May 24, 2008 at 12:59:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

that quote really could apply to them both (2.00 / 1)

this is why super delegates exist. I hope they learn that. But I doubt they will, because they're too scared of the media. So while this doesn't have a big shot of happening, seeing as 52 out of our 56 elections have had winners who won the popular vote, which means 93% of elections winners win a plurality or majority in the popular vote, this year is unique. If there is a downside to nominating a guy like Obama, this is it. The electoral college system truly disenfranchises minorities in red states, blacks compared to whites in the South, Democrats in red states, and Republicans in blue states, because they are so few of each that their votes don't change the outcome of receives the electoral vote. While they were saying that anyone but McCain would lose, also, being Obama's race, the quote can absolutely apply to him. There are not really enough blacks to turn the highly GOP white states blue in many places, like SC, AL, MI, the south, and the plain and mountain states. And hightened black turnout in some places may provoke enough white backlash to counter it.

If Obama loses the EC but wins the popular vote, there will be a big mandate to get rid of the electoral college. Being that yes it will involve race, and riots may occur, it could be a silver lining made in heaven for the future. No Democrat has been elected without winning the highest number of popular votes, be it a plurality or majority. Only Republicans have won elections without the popular vote: Hayes, Harrison, and Bush II, and while Quincy Adams also lost the pop vote and won the election, he was a Dem-Rep. McCain could be the newest abortion of Democracy. Especially after Bush, and the disaster of a popular vote loser, popular AND political demand would be high to end it, as Dems would uniformly favor it. We could also push instant runoff voting, which would stop spoilers like Nader, but avoid costly runoff elections which prolong campaigns. Getting that may be harder, because while for us, IRV would have avoided Bush, while the GOP will continue to say in public that Perot was a spoiler, but they know that outside of undermining Clinton, exit polls all showed that year that Perot voters actually prefered Clinton and Bush equally, which means Perot really just brought Bush closer to victory by bringing down Clinton and negating a majority mandate which would have given Bill Clinton a huge credibility boost. Thus third parties help the GOP more, as they gave us Bush II, brought Bush I closer to Clinton, and wrecked Clinton's mandates, which enabled the GOP to make up the Perot myth, and undercut Clinton's healthcare plan, his economic plans, and much more.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:08:09 PM EST

Nominate anyone (2.00 / 1)

First, what polls are now showing is that if the election were held today Obama would win the PV and in the electoral college.  Second, all of the head-to-head matchups are tainted by this phenomenon of many Clinton supporters (as many as 2/3rds in some states) telling pollsters that they'll vote for McCain or stay home if Obama wins the nomination.

And STILL Obama wins.  The Republicans are extremely weak this year.  If these GOP strategists told the truth, they'd admit that McCain probably doesn't have the ability to beat the Democrats in the general--the only way the Dems will lose is if they beat themselves (ie. the party stays this divided).

So every time you see one of these articles, remember two things: 1) the Republicans want this race to continue for as along as possible (not saying Clinton should drop out, that's a separate issue, just that the above is obvious); 2) the GOP also wants this race to end with Obama and Clinton's supporters hating each other so there will be massive defections.

If the Dems go into the general unified, btw, what polls are suggesting now is that they'll win the so called "swing" or "battleground" states by approx. 10 points (this is also the explanation for Obama's recent "surge" in states like Ohio, btw--all that's changing is the Dem respondants in these polls are saying they're less likely to flip to McCain or stay home).

And c'mon--the dream GOP scenario, at this point, probably would be an acrimonious convention, a flipped result, and Hillary Clinton's having to make her case to the electorate in the two months between the convention and the general, and all while fending off the accusation that she got the nom by convicing superdelegates that Obama was too black to be the nominee.

Not saying that's what Clinton is trying to do.  But who doubts that would be the hand she'd then have to play?


by IncognitoErgoSum on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:14:58 PM EST

Re: 'Nominate anyone (2.00 / 1)

I think this is a really important discussion for the party. If you are a democrat these days it is a little like watching your party slide towards a cliff.


by linfar on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:54:09 PM EST

If you don't like seeing the Democratic party... (none / 0)

... slide off a cliff, then stop pushing it off the cliff!


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:18:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

'Nominate anyone but Obama and McCain is toast' (2.00 / 1)

Even my Mom's friends back home in Pennsylvania have said, they have voted Democrat all their life, but if the Democrats give the nomination to Obama, this will be the very first time they'll break with the Dem's and vote Republican.


by LindaSFNM on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:53:28 PM EST

Re: 'Nominate anyone but Obama and McCain is toas (none / 0)

Well, there's a lot of stupid people out there (sorry but anyone willing to vote for a Democrat but deciding to vote for the Republican because their candidate lost is stupid fool).

I have no doubt they're part of the vocal minority though.


by RussTC3 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:45:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The Democrats Will Have No Problem in November (none / 0)

Why are so many Democrats always afraid of going up against the Republicans?  Thank goodness Obama is our nominee.  Finally we have a candidate not afraid to fight back and more than willing to attack and be on the offensive.

We will win easily in November.  I'm talking 300+ and more than likely in the 350 range.


by RussTC3 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:43:50 PM EST


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