Hillary Will Concede On Saturday

ABC News is reporting what I hoped would happen: Hillary Clinton will "cede the nomination to Barack Obama" on Friday.

It's over.

Sen. Hillary Clinton will drop out of the presidential race on Friday, ending her historic bid for the White House and ceding the Democratic nomination to Barack Obama, ABC News has learned.

Clinton's decision to leave the race ends a long, often bitter battle for the right to challenge Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in the general election.

Awaiting confirmation from the Clinton campaign.

Update [2008-6-4 19:18:7 by Todd Beeton]:The NY Times fleshes it out a bit:

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is moving to suspend her campaign and endorse Senator Barack Obama on Friday after Democratic members of Congress urged her Wednesday to leave the race and allow the party to coalesce around Mr. Obama, according to a senior adviser to Mrs. Clinton.

Mrs. Clinton is likely to make the announcement in New York City, an aide said, though no final venue has been chosen.

And, I don't really get to say this too often, but Walter Mondale echoes my feelings exactly:

“I was for Hillary – I wasn’t against Obama, who I think is very talented,” said Walter F. Mondale, the former vice president. “I’m glad we made a decision and I hope we can unite our party and move forward.”

Update [2008-6-4 21:43:0 by Todd Beeton]:MSNBC just reported that her concession event will actually be on Saturday. They're playing video of Barack Obama saying "Senator Clinton and I will work together to bring the Democratic Party together." Ha, Brian Williams is trying to trap Barack in a gotcha moment. Barack is too classy to fall for that.

Update [2008-6-4 21:49:51 by Todd Beeton]:This in from the Clinton campaign:

Senator Clinton will be hosting an event in Washington , DC to thank her supporters and express her support for Senator Obama and party unity. This event will be held on Saturday to accommodate more of Senator Clinton's supporters who want to attend.



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It's finally Over (2.00 / 3)

Tough race, kudos to all the candidates.


by parahammer on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:50:45 PM EST

No, no, no. (2.00 / 1)

It's "the BO Satan," remember what Jonah told us?  Read the memos, dipstick.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:36:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Suspending is not Conceding (none / 0)

Sorry about jumping the thread, but I have a question I hoped someone could explain for me: Why announce on a Friday?  I always thought that was where you hid the stories that you didn't want picked up?  Has that changed?  

Also, why so soon after last night.  Was it strategic: giving the Dems another couple days to dominate the news cycle?  Or, do you think it took an extra day for negotiating Senate positions for next year, etc.?


by such sweet thunder on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:39:06 PM EST
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Re: Suspending is not Conceding (none / 0)

She's endorsing him.  It's over.


by Same As It Ever Was on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:00:26 PM EST
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wont believe it until it happens (2.00 / 4)

The media have been wrong more often than not.


by highgrade on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:52:18 PM EST

Re: wont believe it until it happens (2.00 / 3)

Bingo. And if she pushes the PV BS during the dropout, it'll just be another attempt at undermining Obama.

Let's see it.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:23:43 PM EST
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Her comments today sugest otherwise (2.00 / 1)

I'm not guaranteeing it, of course.  But her comments today calling Barack her friend again and ensuring that he will be a good friend to Israel was the first time I've heard her out of primary campaign mode.  She has tried very hard to hit him and sour his relationship with the Israel lobby and the Jewish community in general.  For her, that was a real break in the pattern.  A month ago she would have been talking about how Farrakhan lives in the same city as Obama and such.  

It suggests that once she lets go of this she could do a complete 180 and start opening broadsides on McCain and bolstering Obama.  

I have my own opinions about her politics that's for sure.  But she is a consumate politician and if she puts her mind to helping Obama, she may really help.


by Sun Dog on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:50:50 PM EST
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Harumph (2.00 / 1)

Count me in on that sentiment as well.  Being over here in Aus I dont get to see the usual US TV stuff so last night here on CNN international they had their AIPAC speeches live in full and they were both awesome and gracious.  I think Hillary, whatever the motives I dont care, did Obama a great service there.

Ive been skeptical but willing to give the benefit of the doubt and a cautious grace period, but Clintons comments and tone were perfect.

I started to actually feel that we really will come together and that it will happen sooner rather than later.


by pattonbt on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:40:35 PM EST
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Re: wont believe it until it happens (2.00 / 1)

You're just not all about 'unity' are you?

Still, even now, dissing Hillary and suggesting that she is somehow 'conniving'.

What will it take to satisfy folks like yourself?  Immolation?


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:31:14 PM EST
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Re: wont believe it until it happens (2.00 / 2)

I doubt even immolation would do it for some people. Hillary could show up at their doors with wine and caviar, and it would never be enough.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:07:23 PM EST
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Magnanimity in victory (2.00 / 1)

It seems to escape some people.  Not very smart politics.  


by Upstate Dem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:39:09 PM EST
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this is being pushed by multiple outlets (2.00 / 1)

and not immediately countered (unlike yesterday).  Seems solid to me.


by JJE on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:47:46 PM EST
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Me Too! (2.00 / 1)


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:52:31 PM EST

Toldja toldja. (2.00 / 4)

She's a class act, unlike me.  It's going to kick ass having her pulling alongside us.

Go Democrats!!  Barack to the Future!!


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:52:52 PM EST

Re: Toldja toldja. (2.00 / 3)

I'm not sure if I'd go so far as to call her a "class act". Let's be honest. It was over yesterday. She was given a stage. She decided to keep it for herself instead of sharing it and honoring the race and her opponent. She never used the word "nominee". She mentioned unifying the party once. She used the word "me" 19 times. Obama used it twice, "Clinton" six times and "we" 33 times.

She ran a good campaign. I agree with her on the issues for the most part. But last night was the first time I have ever heard a candidate that had been eliminated make the night about them and their achievements instead of accepting the results of the election.

Instead of giving Obama a stage, even if she didn't concede and simply said "we will unite behind the nominee", she grabbed the headlines. And she'll grab them again on Friday, assuming this is accurate. And, of course, the entire media coverage the next three days will be about her.

She's a great candidate. But I wouldn't use the term "class act" to describe her actions over the last two days.


by TCQuad on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:01:33 PM EST
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Re: Toldja toldja. (none / 0)

MSNBC reported that it was Clinton supporters in the House and Senate that told her it was time to go. Obama's folks were very quiet.

Also, the conference call with 8 pro-Clinton Senators came about because top Clinton staffers asked the Senators to explain to her what was going on.

I think that she and Bill were in such a bubble that they didn't understand that Obama was going to get so many superds yesterday and that her supporters in Congress wanted her to end it so the party could unify.

I'm really glad that Obama's folks kept their cool in this period and it was the Clinton supporters who sheparded this to a conclusion.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:16:43 PM EST
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And if, as seems likely, (none / 0)

this is simply a case of Senator Clinton not seeing the forest for the trees, and not being willing to give up on a dream immediately, I think we can understand that.  I know I can.  She can and will fix it all tomorrow.

Let's get ready for the McCain smackdown.  With Senators Obama and Clinton coming at him from both sides, he ought to just find a Country Buffet somewhere and drink coffee for the next few months.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:30:33 PM EST
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In some parts of the country (none / 0)

the chain is known as Old Country Buffet.

Cheaper if you go before 4 pm, John!


by Rorgg on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:39:47 PM EST
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Re: I think a few million democrats are (none / 0)

What path was there for Clinton to get the nomination after Wisconsin?  


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:47:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think a few million democrats are (none / 0)

Jesus, can you just let it go? What's the point in rehashing this crap for the millionth time?


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:08:53 PM EST
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She's a class act. (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton is a fighter.

She's the strongest legal mind of our generation.  She should be on our Supreme Court, if she's willing.

She has borne criticism and scorn--I'm talking in the 1990s--that none of us can even imagine.

She and Bill have raised a woman I can't say enough good things about--Chelsea.  Chelsea Clinton rocks.  She's held her head high and conducted herself impeccably...even at times her parents have not.

Hillary Clinton can wait another week to concede.  Once she does, she will be our strongest ally.  All will be forgiven.  I promise you.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:27:40 PM EST
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Re: She's a class act. (none / 0)

Please, please, please stop talking about nominating Hillary to the supreme court.

She simply doesn't have the qualifications. Supreme court justices do one thing and one thing only. They decide constitutional issues. that means, they spend hours and days and years delving into the inner workings of the constitution. Sure supreme court justices bring to this work their political inclinations, but still those political beliefs are only a gloss that is applied to the constitutional analysis itself.

Hillary is not exactly someone who has show that she can or should be doing this.


by poserM on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:46:45 PM EST
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"Only a gloss"? (none / 0)

Antonin Scalia would be proud of you.  Original Intent, boys, and let the chips fall where they may!


by Upstate Dem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:47:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She's a class act. (none / 0)

Supreme court justices do one thing and one thing only. They decide constitutional issues. that means, they spend hours and days and years delving into the inner workings of the constitution.

Supreme Court justices decide many questions of law that do not involve constitutional issues.


by He Who Must Not Be Named on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:33:46 AM EST
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She's the strongest legal mind of our generation? (2.00 / 1)

"She's the strongest legal mind of our generation."?  

Frankly, thats just ludicrous.  HRC has never done anything of note in the legal world.  She was a local ADA and a private lawyer of no particular note (except for her husband) several months ago.  Any objective analysis would have to conclude Barack Obama is a more noted/stronger "legal mind" than she is and he's also definitely not the "strongest legal mind of our generation."  There are at least three of his former colleagues at UofC (the conservatives Posner and Sunstein and liberal Lessig) and a number of elected officials (Govs. Granholm and Patrick) that are clearly more noted "legal minds."


McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:54:11 PM EST
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Re: She's the strongest legal mind of our generati (none / 0)

Months should have been decades of course.


McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:54:39 PM EST
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Re: She's a class act. (2.00 / 1)

She has borne criticism and scorn--I'm talking in the 1990s--that none of us can even imagine.

She and Bill have raised a woman I can't say enough good things about--Chelsea.  Chelsea Clinton rocks.  She's held her head high and conducted herself impeccably...even at times her parents have not.

I agree with you 100% on this. She is pretty impressive in this sense. I think Hillary has a lot of heart, but she got caught up in a very shady cabal and that is what doomed her in the end, for her staff of smarmy nitwits like Terry Methamphetamine McAuliffe, Mark Penn and Ickes.


by blinkingidiot on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:28:07 AM EST
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Re: She's a class act. (none / 0)

She has borne criticism and scorn--I'm talking in the 1990s--that none of us can even imagine.

She and Bill have raised a woman I can't say enough good things about--Chelsea.  Chelsea Clinton rocks.  She's held her head high and conducted herself impeccably...even at times her parents have not.

I agree with you 100% on this. She is pretty impressive in this sense. I think Hillary has a lot of heart, but she got caught up in a very shady cabal and that is what doomed her in the end, for her staff of smarmy nitwits like Terry Methamphetamine McAuliffe, Mark Penn and Ickes.


by blinkingidiot on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:28:36 AM EST
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I'm being gracious. (none / 0)

But not much.  Looking at her career in perspective makes it very easy to forgive the last few months.  I'm going to laugh at every ad the RNC runs with her quotes, because it's not going to matter.

No one likes Grampa McCain.  He's only broken 80% in one primary--SINCE THE OTHERS ALL DROPPED OUT.  Ron Paul picked up delegates on Tuesday, for pete's sake.  His most recent speech was the biggest bomb since Hiroshima.

We are now Democrats, and the wind is at our backs.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:42:59 PM EST
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Re: Toldja toldja. (none / 0)

I would - she has been fighting for us this entire time & she is ensuring she does everything she can for us with whatever power she has left. I don't care if I am the last person on earth saying this - it isn't about what is or isn't the popular opinion.  When I see someone standing up in the face of so much opposition & degradation for what is right I will always defend them.


by jrsygrl on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:07:30 AM EST
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The Adventure Continues... (none / 0)


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:54:08 PM EST

Re: The Adventure Continues... (none / 0)

Hey!  Its universal!  I'd know that tagline anywhere!


by XoFalconXo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:39:58 PM EST
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Re: The Adventure Continues... (none / 0)

No, it's me. I don't know where Universal went to.


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:14:58 PM EST
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Hillary ran a very tough campaign (2.00 / 5)

and I am totally grateful for her.  

As a woman, I really admired her grit.


by puma on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:54:59 PM EST

Re: Hillary ran a very tough campaign (2.00 / 9)

As an Obama supporter, I'd much rather run with her than against her.


by Baseballhead on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:58:13 PM EST
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Re: Hillary ran a very tough campaign (2.00 / 4)

Me too


by Politicalslave on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:01:31 PM EST
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Damn straight! (2.00 / 5)

She is one hell of a campaigner.  Just look at how strong a campaign both Obama and Clinton ran, how many voters they turned out in the primary.  Now imagine both of them pulling together on the same team in November.

McCain is toast!


by protothad on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:25:29 PM EST
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Re: Hillary ran a very tough campaign (none / 0)

As a man, I really admired her grit, too.  Seriously, despite whatever issues I had with her, she's one crazy tough cookie.

This is most definitely not the last we've heard from the Clintons  :)


by randomscientist on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:29:12 AM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 1)

This really isn't any different from what happened Tuesday. It will only satisfies the Obama hounds. Anyone who can do basic math knew the race was over in February. She didnt lose on issues, she lost on marketing strategy, fundraising, but most of all - poor organizing in caucus states. This is what we could have had. If you look at the Gallup daily tracking polls, there has been NO BUMP for Obama. SHOCKER!


by bsavage on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:55:16 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 1)

Not voting for Obama I take it?


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:58:41 PM EST
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We'll fix America without you, then. (2.00 / 2)

"I am not going to follow her if she endorses Obama."


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:59:37 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

Yep, the activists in Alaska, Utah, Idaho, Texas, Nebraska, Kansas, Washington state and North Dakota decided this thing.

It's interesting that in the last three elections, a small group of people decided for the whole nation.

But that's how the democratic process goes some time!


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:00:10 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 2)

Stay classy Z.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:21:21 PM EST
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Damn voters! (2.00 / 1)

Determining elections and all!  How dare they?  Especially the activists....they're just the ones who care the most!


McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:59:50 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 1)

I agree with your basic premise. I thought there was an opportunity in Wisconsin but as soon as i started making phone calls I could tell Wisconsin was not going to turn. I think she tried her best after that but to no avail. She has become a much more polished speaker and campaigner. So there is nothing to be ashamed of. I think her speech yesterday was moving.


by rocky on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:45:08 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

Umm, daily tracking polls average over a three day period, so any bump he gets probably won't be seen until Thursday or Friday at the earliest.


by EvilAsh on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:54:07 PM EST
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The Bump will be obvious to all by next week (none / 0)


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:04:32 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

I'd almost rec this, because it's useful to remind people that Obama supporters constantly put up with these insults.  This is pretty tame too, but it's just incessant.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:20:51 PM EST
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Will all the pundits (2.00 / 7)

please now STFU?

And that includes Jeffrey Toobin.


by Radiowalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:59:18 PM EST

Re: Will all the pundits (2.00 / 6)

Second that.  I thought he was going to orgasm all over himself last night.  It was kind of pathetic to watch...


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:28:19 PM EST
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Re: Will all the pundits (2.00 / 3)

Yes, indeed.  While all the folks here on MyDD were busy calling Hillary everything but a human, the pundits were also busy making sure that the night wasn't about Obama's win, but instead was all about their opportunity to verbally stone Hillary and Bill.  I wanted to kick the freakin teevee.  CNN deserves to be held accountable.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:36:54 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (1.50 / 2)

Is that her final decision or will she wait until all of the Super Delegates officially make their decisions at the Convention floor.


by nkpolitics on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:59:35 PM EST

The media is doing... (2.00 / 7)

...more to divide our party, than anybody else.  They need a swift kick in the ASS!!!


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:01:11 PM EST

GO NOW! (2.00 / 5)

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/4/18513 9/0676

go rec it up!!! its a really touching and fantastic story!!!!!


lemon716, mydd's little lemon drop;
by alyssa chaos on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:05:14 PM EST

Re: GO NOW! (2.00 / 2)

Thank you for drawing my attention to this diary from the FP story.  Rec'd with great admiration.


by gchaucer2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:16:06 PM EST
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Re: GO NOW! (2.00 / 2)

Good catch, thanks.  Nice to see the reconciliation movement gaining momentum.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:26:30 PM EST
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Re: GO NOW! (2.00 / 2)

Thanks! Great diary. Rec'd.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:32:30 PM EST
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Re: GO NOW! (none / 0)

Nice catch.  Done.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:19:43 PM EST
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For some (2.00 / 7)

Winning is never enough.  They must also dance on the grave of the losers.


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:07:05 PM EST

Re: For some (2.00 / 1)

Give Obama some time--he'll pick her for VP.


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:11:58 PM EST
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Re: For some (2.00 / 4)

He'll pick whoever helps him win. If Caroline Kennedy's research shows she helps him best via polling/surveys/etc.... he'll pick her. He wont hold a grudge.
by Cheebs on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:13:08 PM EST
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Re: For some (2.00 / 2)

Not if he's smart, he won't.


by Lawyerish on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:24:08 PM EST
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Re: For some (2.00 / 4)

care to wager on that? ;)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12126210 9484746703.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news


WASHINGTON -- Sen. Hillary Clinton, who refused to concede after Sen. Barack Obama claimed the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, will do so Friday, two top advisers said. Close supporters suggested she would like to be his running mate, on a unity ticket.

But close advisers to Sen. Obama signaled an Obama-Clinton ticket was highly unlikely. People in both camps cited what several called "a deal-breaker" -- Bill Clinton may balk at releasing records of his business dealings and big donors to his presidential library.


by gabr1el on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:53:02 PM EST
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Re: For some (2.00 / 2)

interesting wrinkle about Bill there.


by haystax calhoun on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:14:39 PM EST
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Re: For some (none / 0)

I'm sure his Veep selection committee will be "wrestling" over those facts. :-)


by RickWn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:00:44 PM EST
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Re: For some (none / 0)

Yep.  Hillary Clinton won't want to be running mate for long once she learns that Obama plans to put her through the same vetting process as any other potential VP candidate... including full disclosure of everything.


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by mistersite on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:44:34 PM EST
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Re: For some (none / 0)

Ah yes, another opportunity to bash Bill.  They just can't let that get past them, can they?

Is the source for this tidbit anything like the source for the Vanity Fair article (you know, the one now being told to cease and desist by one of the named woman's law firms?)?  Or maybe it's from the same source as the stories about  Michelle's 'whitey' comments?

At any rate, someone else in the Obama camp has described a troll as someone who smears Democratic party leaders.

Does this not qualify?

Also, why does Bill need to release anything?   He's been investigated enough.  It's time for Democrats to stop acting like Republicans when it comes to Bill and Hillary.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:43:00 PM EST
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Re: For some (2.00 / 1)

It's a very important liability against the GOP in the campaign that Bill Clinton refuses to disclose the donors list for his library, which is alleged to include some very shady characters.  

It's not a smear to ask someone you are putting your trust in to be open about matters that could hurt you very badly.  Clinton-related scandals coming out in November could cost us the election, so it's prudent to pre-vet these issues.  Don't you see that?


by semiquaver on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:22:55 PM EST
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Re: For some (none / 0)

"Clinton related scandals"

Yes, I see GOP talking points.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:27:35 PM EST
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Please don't misunderstand, (2.00 / 1)

I have nothing but respect for both Clintons.  But they have been involved in scandals in the past, that's historical fact.  And the potential is there for this to become an election issue if Hillary is on the ticket.  The fact that Bill has repeatedly refused to disclose his donor list is a Big Deal.  VP candidates historically have to be squeaky clean, and open themselves entirely to scrutiny.  I hope that happens, but it seems unlikely, as he has refused up until now.


by semiquaver on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:43:04 PM EST
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Re: Please don't misunderstand, (none / 0)

It will be a great problem if Hillary is not offered the VP slot, but frankly, I hope she declines it and does not have any role in an Obama administration.

The 'scandals' you refer to, do you mean things like White Water, Susan McDougal, Travelgate , Filegate and blah blah ... now tell me again where that got the folks who were so intent on finding something, ANYTHING to destroy the Clintons with?  The GOP didn't accomplish it.  Now you are suggesting a fellow Democrat do it for them?

No wonder Karl Rove is laughing his ass off.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:29:45 AM EST
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Re: Please don't misunderstand, (2.00 / 2)

Why are you trying to paint me as GOP or Rovian for echoing the concerns the Obama campaign has expressed with good cause as serious barriers to a Clinton VP?  

Neither I nor the Obama campaign want to "destroy" the Clintons; you're building strawmen which makes it very hard to talk with you.  A VP must be fully vetted, including family members, and so far President Clinton has proven reluctant to submit.  If he does this point will be moot.


by semiquaver on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:27:47 AM EST
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I don't see it that way (2.00 / 3)

Senator Clinton will give an amazing speech. A speech worthy of her campaign and supporters.

She deserves it and so do they.


by notme54 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:15:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: For some (none / 0)

This isn't the issue.  Our chances in November have a lot to do with when she ends her campaign, and how.

"Dancing on her grave"?  Please. Could you possibly be more dramatic?


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:22:51 PM EST
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Quick Lock McAuliffe Up!!! (2.00 / 1)

A safe house in the Poconos would do quite well.  Let him out after November.


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:08:56 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 1)

Is it too early to start talking about the possibility of not talking about Hillary so much?


by xdem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:16:15 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 1)

Yes it is.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:39:16 PM EST
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I don't see "endorse" (none / 0)


by RandyMI on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:16:53 PM EST

Re: I don't see "endorse" (2.00 / 2)

But she has stated on previous occasions that if she does not win then she will endorse the Dem candidate.  


Vote Change in '08!
by iowa dem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:21:57 PM EST
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Re: I don't see "endorse" (2.00 / 2)

Are you blind?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ 06/04/clinton-is-moving-toward-suspendin g-campaign-and-endorsing-obama/


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:29:01 PM EST
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Re: I don't see "endorse" (none / 0)

To be fair the original post did not have the NYtimes article linked (or the whole update for that matter.)  It was just ABC news stuff.


Vote Change in '08!
by iowa dem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:09:35 PM EST
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Re: I don't see "endorse" (none / 0)

Yeah, and I STILL don't see endorse.  I happen to be wearing a blindfold but still.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:23:59 PM EST
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Re: I don't see "endorse" (2.00 / 1)

So her words about Obama to AIPAC today weren't sweeping enough praise for you?  Must she lick his boots to make you folks happy?


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:45:26 PM EST
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Re: I don't see "endorse" (none / 0)

Wait, she conceded the race to Obama at AIPAC?  Really?  Then , yes, that's enough.  

Oh wait, she still has not conceded, still has not endorsed.  So, ummm, no.  Speech at AIPAC was not nearly enough.


It's just the beat of time, the beat that must go on
If you've been trying for years, we already heard your song
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:31:16 PM EST
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Re: I don't see "endorse" (none / 0)

You're never going to get that 'boot licking' you want her to do, so you might as well get used to that.

Strong women don't swoon, howl, bow or break.

She will officially endorse on Saturday.  Today she unofficially endorsed by telling the folks at AIPAC that Obama would be just as strong a friend to Israel as she is.

Funny, that's one of the things Obama supporters bashed her for, her AIPAC contacts, and there she is today, holding him up to them as the nominee, and there are his supporters, still bashing her.  Figures.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:09:56 AM EST
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Re: I don't see "endorse" (none / 0)

I liked her words at AIPAC.

I said I didn't see endorse because I was wearing a blindfold.  It was a joke.  Not a terribly funny one, but a joke anyway.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:06:35 AM EST
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BREAKING NEWS - BREAKING NEWS (2.00 / 2)

All the major networks are now carrying the story.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:22:30 PM EST

Re: This should silence... (2.00 / 5)

...the perennially outraged clintonhaters.  For about 20 seconds.  


by half nelson on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:24:45 PM EST

HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (2.00 / 2)

Based on the tone of the posts over there I suspect it will become McCainIs44.com.  Feh. I always suspected it was a false flag operation anyway.


by protothad on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:30:20 PM EST
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That site (2.00 / 3)

could've done some good and helped her...instead it became an Obama-hate site. It became what it sought to oppose.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:31:22 PM EST
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I bet Hillaryis45 is available (none / 0)


by activatedbybush on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:34:30 PM EST
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Re: I bet Hillaryis45 is available (none / 0)

hillaryis45.org
2012 discussion
In total there are 2 users online :: 0 registered, 0 hidden and 2 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 4 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:40 pm

by semiquaver on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:26:13 PM EST
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Re: HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (none / 0)

Ha!  HillaryIs44 is 404!  Go and check the site.


by Gene In PA on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:14:41 PM EST
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Re: HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (none / 0)

Darn it's back, I was getting re-directed to a "This account is suspended page" but I guess that it wasn't permanent.


by Gene In PA on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:16:43 PM EST
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Re: HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (2.00 / 1)

Hillaryis44 headline today:

When Will Obama Concede?

LOL !!!


by Bush Bites on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:19:24 PM EST
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Re: HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (2.00 / 1)

Did you read the post?

Not only did they call for Obama to drop out, but they accused him of gay-bashing.

Some people are out of their minds.


by jdusek on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:11:47 PM EST
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Re: HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (2.00 / 2)

That site was never about Hillary. I've checked it out throughout the campaign and I've NEVER seen anything about Hillary's policies or positions or even her biography.

It started with hit-pieces on Edwards and all the other candidates, then turned into an 'Obama is a criminal muslim terrorist weather-underground gay america-hating racist sexist idiot' site.


by EvilAsh on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:59:06 PM EST
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Early on (2.00 / 1)

they all but labeled Edwards both a racist and a sexist.

That he was running because he was the straight white Southern Protestant.

As an Edwards supporter, I thought it was so unbelievably disgusting.

The irony was I was called a racist by a handful of Obama supporters, but the amount of Hillary supporters (especially those on Hillaryis44, where I engaged in "debate" for a while) who called me sexist woman-hated "Do you beat your wife?" was just disgusting.

I always felt that DKos was doing Obama a disservice, but Hillaryis44 definitely did Hillary a similar, perhaps worse, disservice.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:08:43 PM EST
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Re: Early on (2.00 / 1)

Well, the thing about DKos is that the site is SO freakin' big and it's SO easy to get on and post, that you get a lot of nutjobs. It's one of those sites where you have to ignore the stupid and stick with the half-way intelligent participants.

Early on, it was a BIG Edwards site, with scattered Obama and Clinton supporters (and a few Dodd and Biden supporters). I was called my fair share of names as an Obama guy. I don't take the crazies over there too seriously, though.


by EvilAsh on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:16:45 PM EST
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And then, somehow, (none / 0)

all those nutjobs' stories get recommended to the frontpage...
:-/
No way, no how, no McCain!
by Gray on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:47:11 AM EST
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Re: HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (none / 0)

I just dropped in there for the first time ever. You wouldn't even know Hillary lost if that was your only website. But it did look just like a GOP site.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:54:19 PM EST
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Way too many there (2.00 / 1)

watch Fox News it seems.

I read the comments and there's a lot of "I saw on FOX"


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:02:55 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 3)

I never doubted in my mind she would do the right thing. She is a Democrat first.

According to the NYTimes, she's endorsing Obama at the event. Does that mean he will be there as well?


by MJJLWolf on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:25:12 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 2)

How great would it be if Obama joined her in New York at a rally?

I think the sight of them two together, the first step to uniting the party, would be dynamite.


by RussTC3 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:41:10 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 1)

Yes, yes!


by haystax calhoun on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:07:03 PM EST
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I expect Barack will join her on stage (none / 0)

What a photo that will make.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:31:45 PM EST
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Re: I expect Barack will join her on stage (none / 0)

I'd love to see that picture, but I don't think its going to happen. It would only fuel more speculation about the "dream ticket" at a time when the metrics just don't support the move.  


by such sweet thunder on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:51:34 PM EST
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The time for that was last night (none / 0)

I agree, it would send the wrong message now.


by semiquaver on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:28:15 PM EST
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Mmmm...I'm thinking "head fake" n/t (none / 0)


by Neef on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:43:43 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

Oh..."Are You Ready?"

Come out, come out, where ever you are....


by Bush Bites on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:46:53 PM EST

I wished she had said this herself (2.00 / 1)

last night. You know, without it 'leaking out' two days in advance.

As thrilled as I am that Obama has won the nomination, I have mixed feelings about, well, everything. I can't help but feel a terrible sadness for her, her family, and her supporters. It's such a tough road of emotions for anyone to have to travel.

We are all caring people, who happen to call ourselves Democrats, striving for pretty much the same things. I hope we can start the healing process now and begin to move forward to the REAL fight.

A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.
by DemsRising on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:48:08 PM EST

Thank you Hillary (none / 0)

I look forward to adding your considering talents, moxie, and strengths to Obama's efforts to take the White House.

Congratulations on running a very tough campaign.  This party is going to get a lot of great -- and necessary --- things done for this country come January of 2009, and not only do I expect Senator Clinton to play a key role in that (no matter if it's in the Senate, as veep, in the cabinet, or even on SCOTUS), I think she'll be critical in getting it done.

I look forward to watching the seismic shift of America towards the party that works for America and Americans this fall.


by zonk on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:50:06 PM EST

You can't fabricate unity (2.00 / 2)

BO has created a unity vacuum because he in the end is not really a uniter.  HRC's colleagues can pressure her to step back but this is checkmate for BO - either pick her as VP and she can make him win or pick another and stare at a McGovern loser map in November.


by Molee on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:58:48 PM EST

Looks like you'll be (2.00 / 7)

left behind then.  More and more Clinton supporters are moving toward unity.  You'll have a few folks to grumble with so don't worry about being totally alone.


by gchaucer2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:05:06 PM EST
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Re: You can't fabricate unity (2.00 / 4)

Bullshit!  
His whole platform is built on unity and he has fought against the politics of division more than any candidate I have ever seen.  

by haystax calhoun on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:06:07 PM EST
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Clinton won't be VP by her own choosing. (2.00 / 2)

By refusing to undergo the normal vetting process, which would involve releasing EVERYTHING to Obama, she forfeits consideration for VP.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:58:18 PM EST
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Re: Clinton won't be VP by her own choosing. (2.00 / 2)

Absolutely. She can't claim to have been thoroughly vetted but then not let the lawyers take a look through to ensure that it's so.

Remember, one of the vp screening team allowed Geraldine Ferraro through without checking into her husband's business dealings and that proved a hurdle and embarrassment to the Mondale campaign.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:32:36 PM EST
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how about a kickass endorsement? (none / 0)

Hillary has beaten mercilessly on Obama for months, which could be construed as having been necessary to run the strongest campaign, and which could be construed to have "vetted" Obama for the GE and might be construed to help him in the long run.

That said, it's time for her to pull out all the stops and sweepingly endorse him with some real passion.


McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist.
by obsessed on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:01:55 PM EST

Still some very nasty comments. (2.00 / 5)

Geeesh, folks. Give it a rest.

Hillary's conceding on Friday. It's over.

May I suggest we bury the hatchet in the "heart" of the nasty 527 Republican tactics to come in the GE?

Barack will continue to need money, volunteers and feet on the ground during this next phase of his campaign for the presidency.

This Hillary fan will be there to support him in every way I can... just as I did Hillary during the primary.

Now, where's the diary that has all the nasty stuff posted about McCain so I can give out some mojo?

(Me write it? You've got to be kidding? I can barely find time to comment around here! :-)  )


by RickWn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:02:45 PM EST

Re: Still some very nasty comments. (2.00 / 1)

I'm in.  I'm ready for the first debate when I'm going to mock him mercilessly!  Bring it!


Obama 2008!
by lollydee on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:11:44 PM EST
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Re: Still some very nasty comments. (none / 0)

Me too.

Is it me, or is John McCain getting dumber and more confused as the campaign has progressed?

At this rate, he'll be at Bush level of oratory by the time the debates roll around.


by EvilAsh on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:18:22 PM EST
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